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| Q: I was speaking to
someone and they said something about a civil US flag
that had vertical stripes. I had never heard of
such a thing so I have been searching the net trying to
find out anything about this. If you could help I'd
appreciate it greatly. Thank you A:
There is a flag with vertical stripes - it is the
"Revenue Ensign" of the U.S. Department of the
Treasury. The U.S. Coast Guard uses the same ensign
of 16 vertical stripes and the US Coat of Arms on a white
canton, but the fly is defaced with the arms of the Coast
Guard. There are some who quote Nathaniel
Hawthorn's description of the Revenue flag that flew over
the U. S. Custom House in Salem, Massachusetts, where the
author worked for a time. Hawthorne (remember, he's
an author, not a historian) said that the vertical
stripes indicated that the offices in that building were
"civil" in nature, not military. You can see
this flag and its history at: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8987/.
Certain political groups say that the USA flag of 13
horizontal stripes is a military color signifying that we
are all under marshal law, and they have similar views
about fringe on the flags use in courthouses. See: http://fotw.digibel.be/flags/us-fring.html.
Hope this answers the question. Nick
Artimovich
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| Q: I saw your posted
answer to the earlier question about the Pine Tree flag.
In it you mentioned that the Navy formed two
squadrons in 1777, and that the Southern Squadron flew
the flag that is more-or-less the same as the "First
Navy Jack." Could you guide me to a
reference(s) on the squadrons and their flag use? Well,
there isn't much. It is a deduction based on
circumstantial evidence. Here it is:
There are two engraved portraits of Ezek Hopkins; one
(dated 1776) shows the Commodore and below are two flags,
a plain flag with a horizontal rattlesnake bisecting the
words "DONT TREAD -- UPON ME" and the other
also plain bearing a
tree below the words "LIBERTY TREE" and above
the words "AN APPEAL TO GOD." The other
(mezzotint by Thomas Hart dated 22 August 1776) shows
Hopkins in front of a vignette of two ships sailing away
each wearing an ensign, the left ship, 13 stripes (7 W
and 6 R) with a diagonally disposed rattlesnake and the
words curving below the snake "DONT TREAD UPON
ME." The right hand ship's ensign is plain
with a tree in the center and the words "LIBERTY
TREE" over the top and "AN APPEAL TO GOD"
below. We think the first Naval organization of the
United Colonies basically conscripted ships from the
existing state navies and brigaded them into two
squadrons. This is certainly open to debate and
discussion since records are very sketchy. However
these illustrations, particularly the second
illustration, seem to support this theory. One
additional piece of evidence is the following quoted in a
letter from Benjamin Franklin and John Adams to the
Ambassador of the King of the Two Sicilys dated 9 October
1778: "... Some of the States have vessels of war
distinct from from those of the United States. For
example, the vessels of war of the State of Massachusetts
Bay have sometimes a pine tree; and those of South
Carolina a rattlesnake, in the middle of the 13 stripes
..."
Although there is no evidence here that they are talking
about the squadrons, they do mention the two principal
naval powers of the states and the two states that were
the bases for the US Navy. The theory is that the
US Navy, at least at first, used a kind of naval militia
system for including state ships in the infant US Navy,
at least until Congress appropriated the funds to build
its own ships and that these conscripted ships used their
respective local ensigns as a distinguishing mark for
their squadrons. I t is by no means a certainty.
Dave Martucci
(Note: the following is
a follow-up to the answer above..Ed)
Don't forget a key point. Preble shows the SC
Ensign as having red and blue stripes without citing any
original references. Some day I hope to sift
through his papers in Springfield MA to see if there is
some source or if he, like other of his
"facts," made some error that was never
corrected.
There is at least one indication, however, that there may
have been striped ensigns in different colors. See
Richardson's "Standards and Colors of the American
Revolution" chapter on the Continental Navy and
Privateers, pg. 64. Under the bill of flags
supplied to the "Committee of Congress" by
James Wharton is the following: "Dec 20 [1776] 1
Union Flagg Green & Red, 13 Stripes."
There are also several flags supplied by Wharton
that are described only by color so we do not know
exactly what the flag was called or its design: "Dec
6 [1776] 1 Flagg Blue & White (dd Cap; Allen
Moore)" "Jan 1 [1777] 2 Blue & White Flags
1 Green, Blue, White & Red Do." Also,
don't forget that the Northern-Southern Squadron theory
is tenuous at best.
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| Q: I visited your
website and I would like to ask for your help in finding
information about a flag with 13 stars that form a big
star. I need the information for my AP US History
class. I would greatly appreciate your help. Please
reply ASAP. Thank you very much. (Note: the young man sent Dave a
picture to be identified...Ed) A:
Although the picture you attached was not readable by my
machine, I know about the flag you describe. In
fact, the 13 stars making up one larger star (what we
call a "Great Star") originated in 1782 with
the adoption of the Coat of Arms and Seal of the United
States of America. Look at the back of any
one-dollar bill and you will see the obverse and reverse
of the seal. The obverse design is the Coat of Arms
and over the US Eagle there is a cloud burst (called a
"Glory") bearing thirteen stars arranged in the
shape of one big six-pointed star. This was also
used on flags, with 13 stars and with the appropriate
number for a given date, approximately up through the
Civil War and in a few instances since. In 1818,
when Captain Samuel Reed presented his proposal to
Congress for a "permanent" flag, he proposed
the military use a flag with the stars in rows and
civilians use a flag with the stars in the form of one
large "luminary." This part of the
proposal was not adopted but Great Star flags were very
popular in the first half of the 19th century.
Although not adopted officially, the first 20
star/13 stripe flag raised over the Capitol building
after the adoption of the third flag resolution was in
fact a Great Star flag. Hope this answers your
question. P lease let me know if you need any
further information. Dave Martucci
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| Q: Hello! I
recently saw a picture of a 1775 flag in an old
dictionary. It was listed under "Historic
Flags of the United States". I am looking for
any information you could direct me to about this flag.
I am interested in the reason the flag was
designed, why that particular picture and wording,
history of that era, etc. The description is as
folows: It was called the "Pine Tree Flag"
1775. Across the top was written, 'AN APPEAL TO
HEAVEN'. Under the words, centered in the flag was the
green shape of a pine tree. The flag background
was, I believe, cream color or white. I have not
found anything on the internet as yet. But saw your
site and thought you may be able to help. Thanks so
much! A: The flag in question, white
bearing a pine tree and the motto "Appeal to
Heaven," is commonly known (to vexillologists) as
the Flag of Washington's Cruisers. In 1775, while
reorganizing the army, Washington okayed a plan to launch
several small boats armed with cannon into Boston Harbor
to attempt to harrass the British fleet that was anchored
there in great numbers. The idea of the Flag was
stated in a letter from Washington's secretary, Col.
Josaeph Reed, to Cols. Glover of Marblehead and Moylan
dated 20 October 1775 and is basically the jack form of
the New England flag with the addition of the motto
"Appeal to Heaven" which is taken from the
closing paragraph of the address of the Provincial
Congress of Massachusetts shortly after the Battle of
Lexington, "Appealing to Heaven for the justice of
our cause, we determine to die or be free.".
It was stated in Reed's letter that this was the flag of
the floating batteries already launched. There is
no sketch with the original letter but there are several
very different designs pictured in a number of sources.
The Cruisers were not terribly effective in Boston
but they did signal the beginnings of the Massachusetts
Privateers who flew the same flag and were very
successful. Massachusetts adopted the flag in April
1776.
It is believed that in 1777, when the US Navy was
formed and was divided into two squadrons, the Northern
Squadron flew this flag while the Southern Squadron flew
13 red and white stripes with a rattlesnake stretched
across the middle and the motto "Dont Tread Upon
Me." This flag remained the official Naval
Flag of Massachusetts until 1971 when they dropped the
motto and reverted to their original Naval Flag.
Maine's Naval Flag is also white with a green pine tree
and the state name and motto and an anchor, all in blue.
It is derived from this flag. Dave
Martucci
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Q: Could you please
help me? I would like to know the proper way to
hang flags from my flag pole. My flag pole is
aprox. 25' tall, 3/4 of the way up is 2 side arms &
also a rope in the front. So I have 1 flag for the
very top of the pole, I can put 3 more flags at the 3/4
mark. I have a 3'x5' American flag for the top,
also I have a 3'x5' Swedish flag I would like to fly,
could you help me as to the proper positioning of the
flags. Thank you.
A: What you describe is a flag pole with a yardarm.
Usually there is no center rope going 3/4 of the way up,
but what the heck?
Here is the basic rule: NEVER FLY ONE NATIONAL FLAG OVER
ANOTHER ON THE SAME POLE. This indicates a military
victory of one nation over another. So here are your
options: If you are facing the pole from the principal
viewing point (usually the front, sidewalk, road access
area) the top of the center pole is called (in nautical
terms as this is basically a nautical type of pole) the
Truck. The left point on the yardarm is called
Starboard Peak (remember the orientation is facing you)
and the right point of the yardarm is the Port
Peak. I don't know what you'd call the other but we
will call it the Center Clew. If you have two flags to
display, say USA and Sweden for example, then because I
am in the US, I'd place them with the US Flag at the
Starboard Peak and the Swedish flag at the Port Peak.
Reverse these positions if you are in Sweden.
If I had three national flags to display, say USA,
Sweden and Canada, again in the US, I'd probably place
the US Flag at the Truck with Canada on the Starboard
Peak and Sweden at the Port Peak. The rule here is
host country at the position of honor (Truck) and the
other flags in alphebetical order from the Starboard to
the Port.
If I had a personal or organizational flag, maybe a
state or municipal flag, that could go at the Center Clew
in this hoist. Hope this answers your question. David
Martucci
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| Q: Lewis & Clark
displayed an American Flag on their journey and gave them
away to the Indians. In one Journal entry Lewis
goes into St. Louis (while Clark and others are staying
at their camp near St. Louis before departing) to buy
various supplies, including flags. What flag would
he have purchased and displayed at that time (1803 or
1804)? When he left on the 2 year trip, which would
not bring him back until September 1806, although some
other states may have entered the Union, there would have
been only 15 Stars at that time. Was it a flag with
5 staggered rows of 3 stars or was it like the Fort
Clatsop flag, which was presumably, 3 straight rows of 5
stars? Which flag is accurate? Where could I
purchase a replica of the accurate flag? A:
This is a question that cannot be answered in modern
terms. There was no official pattern or even design
at that time, as foreign as that sounds to us
today. We believe the Indian presentation flags
bore a painted eagle in the canton and had anywhere from
13 to 15 or more stripes. As for stars, 13 or more
would have been painted in the canton with the eagle.
As these flags were hand painted, each one was
unique. Howard Madaus is researching this area and
I am sending a copy of this to him. Please not that
by 1803 or 1804, there were 17 states (Tennessee 1796 and
Ohio 1803), so 17 stars and/or stripes were not out of
the question. It wasn't until 1818 that the 13
stripes and a star for each state bcam the established
basic design.
Q: The Corps of
Discovery was a military unit under the joint commands of
Captains Lewis & Clark. Each of the members had
military rank; they even had court martials during the
trip. Since Lewis was in the 1st Infantry and Clark
in the 4th Infantry, and they were used to military units
having distinctive unit flags, did the Corps have a unit
flag? If so, what was it? Where can I buy a
replica?
A: Military flags in this period were somewhat limited in
their existence. Based on existing examples, the
basic Regimental color was blue with the US Eagle painted
on it with the appropriate inscription of the unit.
However, the Corps of Discovery, which I do not know if
it was an official military unit, packed very few
non-essentials and may not have brought much in the way
of flags except for those given to the native tribes.
I do not know for sure. As for replicas, most
reputable flag dealers can have replicas made but it is
determining the original design that is the rub. 15
star/15 stripe flags (based on the Star Spangld Banner)
are available commercially. Check
out our "Commercial Members" page for more
information on NAVA manufacturers!..Ed)
Dave Martucci
A: Dave Martucci copied me in on his e-mail to you of
the 24th of August in relation to your inquiries on the
flags used by the Corps of Discovery during their
expedition under the leadership of Lewis & Clark,
1814-1806. Although there are practically no useful
descriptions of the flags, there were evidently two basic
types. One type was the flag that Lewis & Clark
used to mark their camp on certain important occasions
(but not evidently on a daily basis). There is no
clear description of this flag, but it was usually
described as a "large" flag. It many not
have been the flag of the United States, though that
would have been the logical flag to "show the
colors" in the uncharted territories that the United
States had purchased under the Louisiana Purchase.
There is one intrequing reference, however, that
suggests that the flag may have been of a different type.
In Volume I, p. 106 (R. Thwaites' edition of the
journals), is a reference on 11 August 1804. While
stopping at the grave of Mahars King Black Bird (who had
died in 1800), Lewis remarked that a pole was in the
center of the grave mound and "on this pole we fixed
a white flage bound with red, Blue & white."
This is the only description that I have found of
any flag that was different from the U.S. flags that were
presented to the chiefs of the various tribes. The
"chief's presentation flags" are the second
type of flag that accompanied the expedition.
Evidently these were made in St. Louis with materials
that were shipped to Lewis & Clark from Governor
Harrison of Indiana Territory (misspelled
"Morrison" in the edition of Thwaites-- see
Vol. 6, p. 269). On 4 December 1803, Lewis noted
that he had sent a draft, "No. 2 on the Set' of War
for 33$ forwarded Gover Morrison [sic] in favor of it
being for flagg stuff sent me by the govn and was drawn
payable 3 days after sight. dated 25th Feby."
The flags were made in two sizes, a larger size and
a smaller size. There were then distributed among
the bundles with medals in three sizes, uniforms, and
other trinkets for distribution to the various important
Indian dignataries. (See Vol. 6, pp. 270-280)
At least 19 of the smaller size flags were made in
St. Louis, for on 2 May 1804, Lewis write to Clark in his
Illinois camp that "I send you 19 small flags, 16
musqueto nets and our shirts-- paray send down as soon as
possible 13 Ells of the brown linin purchased of Morrison
[six] to replace that quantity borrowed of Mr. Gratitt
...." (Vol. 6, p. 299.) Since these flags were
made in St. Louis they may not have conformed to the
pattern being distributed to Indian delegations that
visited Washington. For the type of flag
distributed in Washington, we have only written
descriptions contemporaneous to their ordering. The
earliest order for flags was written by Henry Dearborn,
Secretary of War on 20 December 1803, when he requested
that "I have to request that you will have Five
Flags of about 9 foot by 6 with the Eagle, 17 Stars &
17 Stripes made of bunting & delivered to Mr.
Brashing on his return to this place for the use of the
Indian Dept." These were evidently made by
Philadelphian, William Young, who received a second order
for flags in 1804, for which he was paid $106.00 on 7
August 1804 "for 4 United States Ensigns three yards
square, each with the American Eagle painted & gilt
staffs, brass mounting, tassells etc. complete."
(documents in National Archives). Presumably,
like the earlier made flags these had 17 stripes and 17
stars as well as the painted U.S. coat-of-arms, but not
necessarily so, since the next year (1805), Young
supplied two garrison flags (for St. Louis) that were to
contain 16 stripes! Unfortunately, in view of the
manner that flags were made (largely unregulated), we
shall never know what the flags actually looked like that
accompanied Lewis & Clark. Hopefully, this
missive will provide some semblence of the variety that
existed during the period.
Sincerely,
Howard Michael Madaus
"Old Glory" Flag Consultants
P.S. The Lewis & Clark expedition would have carried
NO military colors with them. The only colors of
the unit(s) to which they were attached would have been
its regimental standard (a dark blue silk flag bearing
the
arms of the United States over a scroll bearing the unit
designation) and regimental color (at the time a white or
buff flag bearing a scroll in the center with the unit
designation) and its camp colors (small -- 18"
square" white bunting flags with the regimental
number and branch painted on them), and these would have
been held by the colonel commanding and the quartermaster
of the regiment. Companies or detachments did not carry
separate flags of any official capacity. HMM
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| Q: My husband and I
found a wonderful old flag in an abandon church form the
1800"s in the town of Augusta, Kentucky (USA). With
the strong historical civil war background that this
river town has we are very curious to learn more about
this treasure of ours. I have attached the .jpg file with
pictures of the flag as it is framed now and hangs over
our entertainment unit. The condition is only being saved
by the framing keeping it together. There are 36 to 37
stars (as best as we can count). There are 13 stripes. I
would estimate the flag dates from the mid to late 1800's
because of the number of stars. I don't think it is a
United States issued flag, but one possibly made for one
of the troops going to war??? We hope you might have some
insight on the flag or direct us to a good source so we
can find out more information. Please e-mail a response
to gretchen@paulbrent.com A: Thanks for your very interesting
E-mail and enclosed photographs. What a wonderful find!
Based solely on the photos, and without seeing the flag
in person, my first inclination is to place it in the
range of 1864 to 1876. The flag "law" of 1818
states that whenever a state is admitted to the Union the
U.S. flag reflects the change on the 4th of July
following the date of admission. However, it is well
known that many flags were made in order to be "on
hand" on the day of admission. This was done by
commercial firms as well as individuals. Nevada (state
number 36) was admitted to the Union on 31 October 1864
(official flag change would have been 4 July 1865) and
Nebraska (state number 37) was admitted on 1 March 1867.
From then until 1876 the flag stayed at 37 stars, when
Colorado made it 38 (1 August 1876). Considering that the
38th star would not officially be added until 4 July 1877
it is possible that your flag could have been made within
the above mentioned time frame. While it MIGHT be a Civil
War flag, it looks to me like one of the many post-war
civil flag that sprang up at various places to celebrate
the end of the conflict. As Kentucky was a border state
it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Some other markers to
help age your flag are: 1) how were the stars sewn on? If
there is machine zigzag stitching around the edge of the
stars it was made much later - perhaps around the 1890's;
2) are there grommets on the flag? Considering that your
flag is not all that big it's unlikely that grommets
would have been used, particularly during the late Civil
War period (they were on very large flags); 3) check the
material. It's very difficult for me to tell from your
photo's, but if the fabric was wool or silk you might
have the real thing indeed. My advice is to get a textile
professional to evaluate it for you and recommend the
proper conservation steps to take; which actually aren't
all that bad for what you have. It's important to keep
the light off the flag as much as possible, get it behind
UV filtering glass, stabilize it with museum quality
baffling (or backing), and keep it flat; which I see you
are already doing. Whatever you do don't try to clean it
yourself - especially if it's wool. I've taken the
liberty of posting your question on the Q&A page of
the North American Vexillological Association, an
organization of flag nuts..er, experts. Expect to get
quite a bit of valuable advice! Richard R. Gideon
A: The flag looks rare and
worthy. The U.S. flag got 35 stars on June 20, 1863 with
the admission of West Virginia, officially July 4, 1863,
36 stars on Oct. 31, 1864 with Nevada, officially July 4,
1865, and 37 stars with Nebraska, March 1, 1867, and the
flag changed July 4, 1867. The arrangement of the stars
was unofficial until 1912 under President Taft. So there
were many variations of the star pattern. I believe I
have seen a picture of this pattern but did not readily
find it in my references. If you would like me to search
further please advise. Lee L Herold
A: I counted the stars on this
flag a couple of times to makes sure I came up with the
same count. There are definitely 37 stars. For the
pattern to be semetrical, there should be a 38th star in
the upper hoist corner, but I cannot tell whether or not
that is the case. It appears to be made from silk. I
agree with the writer's assessment that it is not a US
Army issued military colour. Because of the number of
stars, it also does not date from the War Between the
States. If 37 stars it is from 1867 to 1877, if 38 from
1877 to 1890. The use of the Concentric cirles would seem
to argue for the earlier period. Don't see many flags
with that star pattern after 1876. Devereaux
Cannon
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Dear NAVA Flag
Collectors:
NAVA's Webmaster received an inquiry for sourcing a 50+
year-old USA flag. The question was passed to NAVA Member
Nathan Bliss. Here is his answer and advice. You may find
it useful for building your own collections. Thanks
Nathan! Peter OrenskiQ: MY HUSBAND IS LOOKING TO
PURCHASE A VINTAGE AMERICAN FLAG 50+ YEARS OLD. CAN YOU
HELP US LOCATE ONE?? PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT JHSTEPHEN@AOL.COM
A: Thanks for your inquiry. Your question is being
posted on NAVA's special Q&A page, and I have no
doubt that you'll be getting lots of offers. Richard
R. Gideon
A: The best place I have found to find vintage
American flags is the on-line auction site eBay. WWW.EBAY.COM. It will take
a little getting used to the site, and you will have to
register to bid, but it is well worth the effort. This is
the current count for flags currently in auction
36.. 48 star flags
4.... 46 star flags
3.... 45 star flag
1.... 44 star flag
1.... 39 star flag
and I quit looking after that. (..these
figures are subject to change..Ed)
I hope this helps, let me know what you find. Nathan
Bliss
(The following is a
universal "Thank You" to those of you who
helped this nice lady get a flag for her husband..Ed)
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
ALL YOUR HELP IN LOCATING A VINTAGE AMERICAN FLAG FOR MY
HUSBAND. SOME VERY NICE PEOPLE RESPONDED TO MY REQUEST
AND I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND A FEW THAT I LIKED. I HAVE A
BID ON ONE RIGHT NOW. MY HUSBAND WILL BE SO HAPPY WHEN HE
OPENS HIS SURPRISE GIFT ON OUR ANNIVERSARY NEXT MONTH!!
THANKS AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING!!
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| Q: I am interested in a
story stating that the Pine Tree Flag in (the US)
revolutionary (war) was a response to colonial resentment
over a 1761 act by Great Briton prohibiting colonist from
cutting White Pines over 24" in diameter. Could you
shed any light on this? A: The pine
tree in New England iconography is a very old emblem, we
think it pre-dates European settlement here. One tribe of
Native Americans was called Penacook, Algonquin for
"Children of the Pine Tree" and they claim to
have learned government from the Iroquois, who have used
a White Pine Tree (with an Eagle on top) as a symbol for
at least 700 years. In the New England Colonies, it was
used as a symbol representating the Natives since at
least 1629. Later it was used on coins (1654) and flags
(1680) as a local symbol. It was used continuously as a
local symbol until the early 19th century at least and
can still be found today in some places. Although there
is truth in the statement that the big White Pines
(marked with the King's Broad Arrow) were not to be used
by colonists, there is no evidence that this influenced
Colonial or Revolutionary War emblems in any way. Dave
Martucci
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| Q: Hi! my daughter and
I have been searching and searching for weeks trying to
find an answer to this Question? Who's National Flag has
been unchanged since the 13th century? The longest
unchanged National flag in history??? I run out of places
to search and can't find an answer can you help with an
answer or where we can find the answer? Any help would be
greatly appreciated. A: One answer,
according to Danish legend, is "The Dannebrog"
-- the Danish national flag that "fell from the
sky" in 1219 during the battle in which the Danes
defeated the Estonians. The other answer, according to
Austrian legend, is the Austrian flag that dates back to
1230 and Duke Leopold V. So, if you say that the Danes
and Austrians have national flags that date back to the
13th century, you're on very safe ground. Peter
Orenski
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| Q: We have seen a
presentation of the history of the U.S. Flag which
started with the original flag + narrative then succeeded
to each change in the flag's stars make-up right up to
the current day. It was an excellent presentation done on
stage showing the flag and the subsequent changes.
Unfortunately, we cannot locate a source for the kit for
this presentation. We would like to learn the
presentation and then make same at schools and other
organizations. Got any ideas? Disabled
American Veterans, Chapter 75, Fort Myers, FL USA A:
The booklet you refer to was published (along with a
poster) by:
Dr. Whitney Smith
Flag Research Center
P.O. Box 580
Winchester MA USA 01890
Peter Orenski
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| Q: Hi, I am trying to
locate a historic flag coloring book or sheets of (US)
flag pictures that can be colored - do you have anything
like this or do you know where I might be able to locate
them? Thanks for your assistance. A:
Wow, what a great question. What I will do is post your
question on the Q&A section of NAVA's website and see
what happens. My wife says she remembers seeing something
like what you want in Gettysburg, but she doesn't
remember what shop(s). Members: what about it?...maybe we
can interest the next generation in flags! Richard
R. Gideon
(...and our NAVA
members respond...Ed.)
A: Your inquiry about flag coloring books has been
forwarded to me, among others. I am aware of a several
such books published by Bellerophon Books. They are:
"Civil War Flags to Color"; "Flags to
Color from the American Revolution"; "Story of
California and Her Flags to Color "; "Story of
Early California and Her Flags to Color"; and
"The Story of Africa and Her Flags to Color".
You can find these books for sale at the following web
address:
http://home.att.net/~dcannon.tenn/FLAGBOOKS.html.
Let me know if I can be of further service. Devereaux
Cannon
A: I know of at least one: "Flags to Color from
the American Revolution", Bellerophon Books, 122
Helena Ave., Santa Barbara CA 93101 USA. $1.95 Also,
please contact Whitney Smith @ The Flag Research Center,
in Winchester Mass USA. Let me know if any questions come
up. Peter Orenski
A: There are 2 books with which I am familar. One is
the Map Coloring Book, Interarts Ltd., Cambridge MA USA,
ISBN 1-879856-15-8, which has both maps to color and
flags to color. I usually carry this book for $4.95 but
am out at the moment. There is another historical US
coloring book which I carried once but haven't reordered
for some time. Sorry, I don't have the information on
this book, only to tell you it exists. You can check your
local bookstore, or contact me and when the first book
comes in I'll let you know. Lee L. Herold
A: I have a book called Flags of the World put out by
Henderson Publishing. It is officially a
"sticker" book. That is it has flags to be
pasted on matching areas. The areas are about 1 1/8
inches (left to right), and 3/4 inches top to bottom. In
lieu of attaching the stickers to the appropriate panels,
you could color the panels the appropriate colors. You're
welcome to this if you think it would fill the need. We
have a local school supply store that carries a number of
materials that could have a coloring book. I'll check
with them the next time I'm in town. Truman Pope
A: As fate would have it, I have such an item. Its a
bit old as I believe it was someone's Bicentennial
effort, but it may still be in publication. I also seem
to recall something similar either around the Betsy Ross
House in Philly or at Ft. McHenry.
David Breitenbach
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| Q: I obtained your
e-mail address from the "Research Page"of the
NAVA web site. I have attached a scanned picture of a
flag that was left to my wife her sisters when their
father passed away. While he was still living, my father
in-law told me that the flag was meant to be flown at a
US Post office. When it turned out that the next official
flag was to have 43 stars instead of 42, the 42 star flag
was never flown. I've recently learned that originally
North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana and Washington were
to have their stars added on July 4, 1890. Many flag
manufacturers produced 42 star flags for the occasion.
When the 43 state, Idaho was added on July 3rd, 1890 the
42 star flags were sold at discounts, given away to
charitable institutions or destroyed. Is this 42 Star
flag rare because it's not an official US flag or is it
just one of many? If you need more information about the
flag please let me know. One of my wife's sisters
actually has the flag but I've volunteered to do the
research on it. A:
Thanks for the inquiry. You asked if the 42 star flag was
rarer than other flags of the period. From my experience
42, 44, 45, and 46 star flags are of about equal rarity
and value. Although the 42 star flag was never official
apparently enough were made in late 1889 that they were
fairly common. When the flag officially changed to 43
stars shortly thereafter (and was rapidly outdated again)
the 42 star flags could legally be flown until worn out,
but it appears that many were set aside as
"oddities." Most that I have seen have not been
flown too much, if at all. As far as their appeal to
collectors, some value them more because they are
oddballs (the flags, not the collectors) some less
because they are not necessary as part of a
"complete set." (A complete set of USA flags,
all 27, is probably impossible as I do not know of any
examples anywhere of some of them, 23 stars for example.
Some civil war examples exist, but none from the 1820's.)
Your flag would have a value in the $85 to $125 range on
Internet auctions, while some antique dealers would
likely charge more for such a flag. Hope this helps! Nick
Artimovich
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| Q: Are you able to
answer this trivia question for me please? "Which
country has the SECOND highest number of stars on its
flag?" Thanking you in anticipation. A:
Seems like I get a lot of flag trivia questions these
days. Is there some kind of contest going on? Anyway, to
answer your question, the answer is Brazil, which
displays a star for each of their 24 states plus one for
the territories arranged in the form
of the constellations over Rio de Janero. Although the US
Flag was the inspiration for this motief, unlike the
stars on the US Flag the Brazilian stars correspond to
actual constellations, each star corresponds to a
specific political entity, and the stars are displayed in
five different sizes. Dave Martucci
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| Q: I am trying to track
down some info on a ivory carving a friend has had but
never really looked into it its history. The reason
why I am asking a flag expert such as yourself is that
the carving is of a three mast sailing ship called the
MEREATOR. I have come up with nothing in my
researching about the vessels name so I am trying to
pinpoint the time period by the flags she bears. At
first I thought the flag was colonial until I took a
closer look. The flag resembles the stars and
stripes but instead of stars , the carver put letters so
small I can't make it out. The first line is ___
___ ___ ___ (4 LETTERS) The second line ___ ___ ___
(3 LETTER / OR THE MIDDLE ONE COULD POSSIBLY BE
"OF") the third line M ___ ___ ___ (4
LETTERS...FIRST BEING AN "M") All the
rest looks like a normal stars and stripes I will try to
send a drawing...if you can help it would be much help. A: Although I do not know the ship, my
guess it can be dated c. 1848-1850. Here's
why. First of all, it is an Ivory carving. Are you
certain it is not whalebone? I would bet that it is
and that it is a relic of the whaling industry (but be
very careful, there are a lot of scrimshaw fakes out
there; have it appraised by a scrimshaw expert). I
don't know MEREATOR but the flag is no mystery to me.
A US Flag with a Revolutionary inscription in place
of the stars would be a logical and excellent choice for
a common seaman laboring before the mast following the
Revolutions of 1848 in Europe. One of the most
common slogans that came out of the barricades during the
Paris resistance was that they were fighting for
"The Rights of Man." Several famous ships
subsequent to this event bore this name and one still
sails the 7 seas (it is berthed in Philadelphia and its
mission is to take street tough kids in trouble with the
law and, as an alternative to jail, teach them team
skills and high school all in one long voyage). I
would guess the inscription on the flag is RIGHTS OF MAN.
I know this doesn't fit the letters you have mapped
out but it is the only slogan of that era I know was used
a lot. Perhaps there is some kind of abbreviation
and punctuation involved. The center line may be
more decorative than inscriptive, like this:
RGTS
-OF-
MAN.
When scrimshawing
small inscriptions, abbreviations were very common.
Anyway, that is my best educated guess. I'm
submitting this to the NAVA webmaster for inclusion on
our web page of questions and answers. If someone
makes any other suggestions as to what the inscription
may be, I'll let you know. Dave Martucci
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| Q: Have you ever heard
of an "official US flag design number"? Need
info for trivia response. Thanks. A: I
am not sure what you are referring to. The present
US Flag design was made official in 1960 and there is
probably a Presidential Order number associated with
that*.......Perhaps you mean which design number it is.
That depends on how you count them.
Officially, the 50th star is the 26th addition
(change) to the flag but we usually count the Continental
Colors as the first (unofficial) national flag, so it is
the 27th US Flag. Dave Martucci
A: *Executive order 10834 of August 21, 1959,
published in the August 25, 1959 Federal Register, volume
24, number 166. Charles A. Spain
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| Q: I have a 36 star
(US) flag, and I think its wool. I want to clean it. Can
I dry clean it? A: NO! Don't take
any old wool flag to your local drycleaners. An old
flag such as the one you have won't take kindly to most
normal cleaning techniques. Professional textile
conservators use a special low-volume vacuum cleaner with
a screen over the cleaning wand to pull suspended dirt
particles from the flag. They also have a technique
wherein the flag is "flushed" in pure,
deionized water while the pH value is monitored.
Also, don't iron the flag, particularly with a
steam iron. Ironing can damage the old fibers which
are probably already brittle from age. Your best
bet is to contact a textile conservation specialist, such
as Textile Preservation Associates in Sharpsburg,
Maryland, USA. Also, check with your local museums.
If they're well equipped they may be able to clean
it for you (for a fee or donation) or suggest a
professional who can.
Richard R. Gideon
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| Q: How should I store a
flag. It (a US flag) has 48 stars, but it looks old. The
stars aren't even. A: You may have an
early 48 star flag, say around 1913 or so. Many of
the early 48 star flags used staggered star patterns.
According to museum specialists the best way to store a
flag is to lay it flat on some kind of acid-free backing,
such as archival tissue or museum grade polymer.
Flat storage could be a problem, particularly if
the flag is big or you don't have the room. The
next best thing is to ROLL the flag around a fat tube.
Use acid-free archival tissue to buffer the
turns. Store it in a relatively cool, dry
place. In most homes a closet off the living area
will suffice because central heating and/or
air-conditioning assures a uniform environment; and if
you're comfortable the flag probably is too. Avoid
storing a flag anyplace where temperature or humidity
could become extreme; an unfinished basement or attic for
example. Richard R. Gideon
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| Q: What does
"aspect ratio" mean? A: It is
a mathematical way of expressing proportion, and
represents the ratio of a flag's hoist to its fly, or how
"tall" a flag is to how "wide" it is.
For example, many flag are 3 feet along the hoist (where
you attach the flag to a pole) and 5 feet long. The
aspect ratio is 3:5. Aspect ratio may be set by a
government, by tradition, or by the designer. It wasn't
until 1912 that the United States established official
specifications for its flags, establishing an aspect
ratio of 10:19. Designers often use aspect ratio as a
starting point in creating a new design. Some common
ratios are 1:2, 3:5, 2:3 and 5:8. But there are plenty of
others. Richard R. Gideon
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| Q: I was trying to find
out how many stars would have been on a (US) flag in
1862. A: Here is a little information
for you:
(READ - DATE OF ADMISSION, # OF STARS IN THE FLAG, THE
ISSUE OF THE FLAG, AND THE STATE THAT REFLECTS THE
CHANGE)
July 4, 1859.......... 33.......... 15.......... Oregon
July 4, 1861.......... 34.......... 16.......... Kansas
July 4, 1863.......... 35.......... 17.......... West
Virginia
July 4, 1865.......... 36.......... 18.......... Nevada
From this list the legal flag of 1862 would be 34 stars.
Except for the original 13 star US flag and the 15 star
US flag, all flag changes were (and are) slated for the
4th of July following the admission of a state. Richard
R. Gideon
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| Q: Can someone please
tell me where the term Union Jack came from? Does it have
anything to do with John Bull? A: No
one really knows the origin of the term "Union
Jack" but it certainly predates "John
Bull," which originated only in the last century.
The Union flag was designed in 1606 and almost
immediately was designated as the correct
"Jack" to fly from the bowsprit pole of a War
Ship. Many believe the term originated because of that.
Others assume some kind of affectionate link with
"King Jack" (a corruption of
"Jacques" which was the formal name of King
James I). Dave Martucci
A: I have never heard that Union Jack has anything to
do with John Bull. The nickname, John Bull, was used in
the 1600's but the popular idea of John Bull was fixed in
1712 by John Arbuthnot who published The History of John
Bull and represented him as a jolly, hot-tempered farmer.
The word Union comes from the union of England &
Scotland in 1606 with the combination of the Cross of
Saint George and the Cross of St. Andrew flags into one.
I don't think the true source of the word
"jack" has been authenticated. The closet may
be that "jack" is referred to as a small flag
on a vessel and that term may have been around when the
Union Flag (England and Scotland) was flown from a
vessel. The Union Flag, in the form we know it today,
came about in 1800 with the addition of the Irish Cross
of St. Patrick to the Cross of St. George and the Cross
of St. Andrew and was officially hoisted as such on
January 1, 1801. Truman Pope
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| Q: Can you tell me
please what state the first star on our (US) flag
represents? A: Actually, no star
represents any particular state. Rather, the whole
compliment represents the UNION of the STATES. Dave
Martucci
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